now, -- and so you know, even if you assume that romney takes north carolina and virginia is about even, and florida is about even, but even, you know, you -- it's a tough path for him to get to 270, and you know, ohio, iowa, colorado, wisconsin, there's a lot of scar tissue there and so that's why it's uphill for romney, even though it is an incredibly close race. >> voltaics that raises the -- so that raises the question that people have been talking about in recent days. is there a legitimate possibility that one candidate wins the popular vote, the other candidate wins the popular electoral vote? >> there is. especially look at the states that are red, if you run up the score in a place like texas, there's a lot of people that live there, if you do win florida, north carolina, virginia, even ohio, remember, he can win all of those, mitt romney, and still lose, a lot of people live there, and then look at the blue states, and this is where the romney campaign also says they are doing much better and the poll suggests this too. they are not going to lose by the same margins that john